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Martin1
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 Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 17:12:29
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I have asked Davide this question long ago and also asked if it was possible for Davide to change the program in suchs a way so these tables (see example below) won't be used anymore.
I though I'd mention it again.
Why does in some cases DHE use tables instead of divs?
If you take a look at these two pages.
this one was made with DHE and the standard rectangle tool
http://home.tiscali.nl/gggev/voorbeeld/test.html
this was was made by hand
http://home.tiscali.nl/gggev/voorbeeld/test2.html
The last example which was made by hand uses no tables and is also a bit smaller in size (kb).
There is no need for tabels and tables were never meant for this kind of design anyway. That's what css is there for.
I really want (edited in accordance with Waldorfs request ) to ask you Davide maybe it's possible to stop DHE from using these tables and have it use css.
Please, please, pretty please[2 0:-7] (so I hope now everyone is happy with my way of wording a remark/request[3 ~-)]).
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Edited by - Martin1 on 13 Oct 2006 20:23:18 |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 18:08:53
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quote: I really want to urge you to stop DHE using these tables and have it use css.
Howley cowey and other bestials!!
If "Sir" London see this, he's really gonna be MAD!!![2 (==)]
please, say: maybe it is possible to.....[2 :D]
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Edited by - Waldorf on 13 Oct 2006 19:01:32 |
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T00N
Super User
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 19:38:26
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There is no need for tabels and tables were never meant for this kind of design anyway. That's what css is there for.
So tables weren't ment for design... big deal, they look good and can be very handy when you want to align things vertically or horizontally.
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I really want to urge you to stop DHE using these tables and have it use css.
This is a bit strong, don't you think?
I'm sure Davide thinks very thoroughly about what he does and where he goes with HIS program so demands from customers isn't what he's waiting for. Suggestions are oke but demands... [2 :!!] |
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Martin1
Super User
Netherlands
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 20:09:40
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If anyone finds a hint of demanding by me I will be surely impressed but just to make sure I don't offend davide (which is not my intention at all as he himself probably knows) I edited the 'problematic' passage.
No demanding going on whatsoever. Besides Davide an I have talked about a whole lot of issues in our mail correspondence including this one.
@Toon
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So tables weren't ment for design... big deal, they look good and can be very handy when you want to align things vertically or horizontally.
Tables might be handy but were never meant for these things and css has replaced this kind of use of tables a long time ago.
There is no need for the use of tables as my example shows. The use of css instead of tables doesn't make it less handy and even makes for a cleaner and lighter page.
The use of css in layout adheres to webstandards and accesibillity. Tables were never intended for styling a webpage.
The main reason some folks still wanting to use tables seems to be coming from bad habits, and complacency.
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Edited by - Martin1 on 13 Oct 2006 20:18:14 |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 20:32:44
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okay, that's enough, you are both banned for 20 years and 1day! [2 :D] [2 H:)]
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Edited by - Waldorf on 13 Oct 2006 21:34:56 |
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Martin1
Super User
Netherlands
626 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 21:37:22
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Damn you're strict.
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
284 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 13:34:51
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s.dav
Site Admin
Italy
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 19:58:07
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@All
D.H.E. uses tables instead DIVs (as anyone can see in the Help, F.A.Q. page) because it is the only way to make the things you draw exactly the same in every browsers.
If you try the 'test.htm' page you'll see that it is displayed exactly the same in Explorer, Opera, Firefox, Netscape.
Your sample 'test2.htm' looks different from the original one in Firefox and Opera (not tested on Netscape but probably different).
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T00N
Super User
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 20:12:08
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I'm sure Davide thinks very thoroughly about what he does
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Martin1
Super User
Netherlands
626 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 21:06:29
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Very strange but to me the test2.html looks exactly the same in IE, Firefox and Opera (does Netscape still exsist?).
Where do you see the differences Davide?
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 23:15:13
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@Dean Martin
and where are we suppose to eat on?.. [2 ?:-|]..[2 H:)]
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s.dav
Site Admin
Italy
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 09:01:55
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@Martin,
please look carefully your test2.htm page; you'll see that in Opera and Firefox the rectangles are moved some pixels on the right so they are not aligned with the bigger one in the background.
It is a small difference but when you made pixel-precision-aligned-pages every object should be drawn in a perfect way ;-) |
Regards, Davide |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 17:25:36
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@Dav.
DHE is very precise (with item placement) indeed!
On the contrary, when I place an item on a (cantered) background it?s chaos, the item is misplaced with grandeur absolute! [2 (==)]
Is that me ?doing something wrong? or is that a normal phenomena?
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s.dav
Site Admin
Italy
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 19:14:23
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| Please send me a sample so I can investigate ;-) |
Regards, Davide |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 19:35:32
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1.Open DHE
2.new
3.center page
4.put a rectangele on the left site
5.preview
..see what I mean !![2 H:)] |
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T00N
Super User
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 19:44:21
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Oke, why don't you take a good look at your step #3.
Think about it... |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 20:16:35
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#3 is center page "NOT" center item, or center everything.
I can't find some'think else, but o'c, I'm very stupid! ;-)
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Edited by - Waldorf on 16 Oct 2006 20:17:11 |
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T00N
Super User
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 20:40:22
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If you only have one item then center page IS center item.
If you have two or more objects then DHE treats these object as a group and centers that group.
What else do you think that center page is for? |
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Waldorf
Super User
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 21:21:32
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Ach soh, stupid me![2 (==)]
I thought the page was the background, like I.R.L.
When I draw an object on an A4 and move the page, the object stays in the exact place!
Of course, this isn't R.L...isn?t it TOON ![2 :D]
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s.dav
Site Admin
Italy
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 10:40:57
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The "center page" method works exactly as TOON says.
If you want to preserve the position (left) of your rectangle (after centering the page) you can put a small (empty) hotspot object in the right ;-)
It's invisible so it should not give you problems ;-) |
Regards, Davide |
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